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Hello everybody, or should I say ni hao?

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That's my only piece of Chinese.

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I know one other word, but I'll tell you why I know this.

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Welcome to Sonic Talk, back 9.15, this is episode 9.15, recorded today on the 4th of

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November 2026.

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We had a week off last week, the week before we had a pre-record where Gertz and Paulie

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talked with myself about this whole firmware hacking thing.

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The reason it was off is because I've been in China at Music China and also the Beijing

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Modular Commune, which was great, I'll tell you all about it later.

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This is Music Technology Podcast, that's what I was doing there, filming music technology

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amongst other things.

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Want to say hi to the chat room, lovely to see some familiar faces, Awkward Teeth and

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Hair Productions, Cheaper Card Company, Wagyu of course, who is always on hand, we much

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appreciate it for doing the moderation and keeping things rolling, Geneapier3, let's

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see who else we got, Chris4629, there are a bunch of you, so welcome and nice to see

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you all.

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We get on to our guests, we've got a full panel for the first time in ages, it feels

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like maybe the summer drought has broken and we've now got guests aplenty, which is great

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to see, so let me just flip over to here, what was I going to say, oh there's stuff

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to talk about isn't there, no it's not that, it's this one, yeah I knew this would happen.

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Just want to say if you've not been on Sonic recently and checked their YouTubes, we've

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got three big shows, we had Matt in Brooklyn Synth and Pedal Expo at the beginning of October,

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then we had me in Beijing Modular, and then Music China, and that's it, next week I'm

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going to be in Bristol for the Audio Developer Conference for a couple of days, so I'll be

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sending even more videos back but it won't be of the same number, so don't worry about

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that.

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We've got Stylophone On The Fly tomorrow video and lots more to come, we're filming some

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more stuff as well, we've got lots of things in the pipeline, so do stay tuned, and for

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those of you who were following my videos from China, I also posted a bunch of stuff

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to our Patreon and YouTube members, and this is the cue for me to press the button for

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you to plug joining our Patreon or YouTube membership, back after this.

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Yes, so yes, anyway, back to our guests, I'm going to start over there in the US of A with

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Richard Nichol from Pittsburgh Modular, with a smile on his face, I guess big events politically

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over there and depending on how you felt about it, you're either really happy or really miserable,

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you look happy, so we'll leave it at that, but well done, nice to see democracy working,

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and as you're our American representative, I'm going to give you the condraculations,

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you get the props.

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How are you Richard?

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They've stopped hitting your house with hammers I hear.

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Yes, it's great, our house is quiet again, although it's temporary because we are getting

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new windows in a few weeks, so it's going to be the same thing all over again, but hopefully,

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this is, you know, in America, our houses aren't that old, but our house is, it's about

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100, I think it's 127 years old, so it was time, you know, it's never had new windows,

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it's never had the siding fixed, it's not a big house, but it's exhausting, but right

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now it's quiet.

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I can tell the age of your house by your banisters behind you, the slightly, the old style banisters,

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there you go, that's, I can tell that, lovely Newell post, if you don't mind me saying.

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Rich, it's lovely to have you, of course, Pittsburgh modular proprietor, chief designer,

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head honcho, all of those things, I'm guessing you've been busy designing synthesizers as

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well while it's been possible with the hammering going on, yes?

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Actually, for the last six months or so, maybe eight months, it's been a while, I've been

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sort of secretly, as a hobby, writing software again.

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Before I started Pittsburgh modular, years and years ago, I was a software developer

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for about 15 years, and the software I did, I wrote back then was, it was just boring

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business software, but nonetheless, it was all in C++ and just, you know, it paid the

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bills and it was great, so when I started Pittsburgh modular, it's because I had burned

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out hard on doing math, I was just done, I said, I'm never doing math again, but hardware,

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and that seemed like a fun, interesting thing to do, and that's worked out pretty well so

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far, but over the last eight months or so, I have sort of dipped my toes back into software

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design, and we released our first soft synth about a week ago now, and it's, the response

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has been fantastic.

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We did, it's called Microvolt 3901, it's available, right now it's available on Mac and PC as

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a standalone app or as a plug-in, and hopefully, if Apple ever approves the app, it'll be available

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on iPad soon, so it's very cool, it's sort of a history, yeah, it's sort of a history

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of Pittsburgh modular synths, it has a bunch of our older oscillators and a bunch of our

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older modulators, and it's, it's just, it's been, it was so much fun to do, and I'm glad

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the response has been really positive to it, and I suspect we'll be doing more, because

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I've been enjoying the process.

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Wow, that's great, wow, what an exciting change of events, well, lovely to have you Richard,

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and as ever, and we'll flip over to the other side, I'm going to finish with our final guest,

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but Pauly, nice to see you there, you're rocking the, the Richard Nickel Eraserhead

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themed T-shirt, which, yeah, fantastic, we saw that a little while back, it was a great,

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what a great, great day, how are you, Pauly, you good?

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You know, I've actually written down some things to say in this segment this time, Nick.

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Can you imagine, but I always, like, get flustered and forget exactly what I'm doing, so firstly

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I wanted to say I'm going to be sending you Retrocast Episode 6 today, so that we can

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schedule it, it's with a guy called Florian from the German Spy Museum, and we talk all

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about Cold War era spy gadgets, audio gadgets, and things like that, stuff like, you know,

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EPROM based drum machines, but they're not drum machines, they read off lists of numbers,

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you know, German numbers, so that they can get their codes and stuff, so that's brilliant.

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Also, it's been a busy time for me, I had my first lecture at the Conservatoire, teaching

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the students about scary sound design, and in fact played them some clips from Sonic

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Talk of when we spoke to Charlie Clouser, and also, you know, went into my own work

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in computer history and how they scared the pants off people in the 80s with, you know,

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the first sampled speech and vocoders and creepy stuff like that, so that was good.

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And finally, I know, three things to talk about, Arcade Dreams is finally coming out

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this month.

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It's the film you worked on, right?

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It's been development hell for some reason, I think it's been licensing or something,

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So it's coming out on the 26th, and I'm preparing a soundtrack CD, which will be available,

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so yeah, that's going to be good.

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Nicely.

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So very, very busy.

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That's the film that you did the soundtrack of, that's like the history of, was it computer

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games, or was it?

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Yes, that's right.

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So like, the golden age of arcade, up to the modern day.

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Busy times.

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And last, but by no means least, Mr. Gaz Williams, who's there in Bristol, in his Garrett studio,

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where he masterminds rack records and modular performances, and no doubt rehearses for Charlotte

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How are you, Gaz?

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Just recovering from a late night, but yeah, I had a few things I'd like to mention as

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Firstly, is that I'm really pleased to announce that I'm going to be performing as a guest

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with Zorch at the Great Gong Gathering.

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So this is a three-day gong event in Glastonbury.

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Gong themselves are playing on Saturday, here and now on the Sunday.

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Legendary space rock band, Jean-Luc Ponty, is he still alive?

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Is he going to be there?

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No, unfortunately, he's not going to be there, but Didier Malherbe, who was the great saxophonist

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and flautist, he's going to be performing on the Saturday, but on the Friday, I'm going

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to be performing a guest spot with Zorch, and Zorch, I think, a very significant part

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of the British synthesizer scene.

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They were one of the first British synth bands forming in 1973, and the great Howard Scarr,

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or should I say, Gweo Zepics, as his name was, in Zorch, who's a long-time Sonic listener,

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and Basil Brooks, they used to play, I think, with three EMS synthesizers.

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Oh, nice.

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And they're the only band to have ever recorded at Peter Zinoffi, a CMS studio as well, so

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So they've got real connections.

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They've got some stories.

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So I'm going to be doing a little guest spot with them, that's on the Friday, so the date

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of this is, yeah, the 27th of November through to the 29th of November.

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Oh, fantastic.

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Wagos, put it in the chat.

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Glastonbury Assembly Rooms.

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Oh, thank you, Wagos, that's great, yeah.

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So I'm just, yeah, I'm just absolutely thrilled to be asked to have a little, you know, little

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guest spot there.

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So that was one thing I wanted to mention.

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Another thing I wanted to mention was that this Monday, there's just been, I performed

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with an orchestra in the Bristol Beacon as part of Kevin Feige's Sound Dimensions.

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And what was quite interesting about that was Kevin has made these various compositions

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which are heavily influenced by the Italian experimental composers of the 50s and 60s.

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It does include Ennio Morricone, Bruno Moderna, Luigi Nonno, and then I think these compositions

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then, the kind of synthesizer work that was on them, it's not really synthesizer, it's

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more electronic sort of sound.

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Yeah, lots of transistor organs as well, I seem to remember.

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Oh, right, yeah, but yeah, yeah, there wasn't in this particular situation, but we were

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a number of the pieces, everything scored out, except, you know, I was making noise,

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like white noise, filtered noises, and try to keep it all sounding something like, you

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know, to give it an authenticity, and I actually used my Dreadbox Abyss for it all, and it

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was brilliant.

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It sounded really authentic in that kind of style, I loved it, I mean, it's such a thrill,

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and it was the Bristol Ensemble who were, you know, the orchestral members, and some

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really terrific other musicians, Harriet Riley on the tuned percussion.

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She's awesome, yeah.

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Yeah, incredible musician.

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So, yes, you're just getting to basically kind of scribble over the top of these highly

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trained musicians.

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Like a child with a crayon.

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Excellent, that sounds brilliant.

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Bizarrely, I watched, last night, I watched the 1974 version of, and then there were none,

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the Agatha Christie film, and it had Oliver Reed, Charles Aznavour, what's it, Blum, and

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the music, I think, was one of those people that you mentioned, because I remember Jane

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looked it up, and said that he'd worked with Ennio Morricone a lot, so.

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Ah, cool.

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Just thought that was an interesting, he was an Italian composer.

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And the final thing, I just want to quickly mention, is I've just created a new website

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for myself.

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Look, I've changed your lower third to the URL now, so it's back into, rather than your

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YouTube channel.

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There you go.

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Yes.

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So, I just tried to make a, I just tried to round up various things that I've done, you

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know, in my musical life, and chronicle them there.

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So, I'd absolutely love it if people would like to have a little look around there.

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It's quite, it's quite fun, but it's got a game, even got a game on there, if you can

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find it.

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Easter eggs.

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Well done.

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But, yeah, that was it.

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Thank you very much.

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Nice one.

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Well, it's lovely to have you all.

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We have stuff to talk about.

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I don't know where you want to start.

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Let me have a look.

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What have we got?

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I mean, maybe if I start with a little bit of China, because purely this leads on to

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some of the other topics, because of the things that are moving very rapidly at the moment

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in music tech, and software, and whatnot.

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So, maybe, let me see if I go to, see if I can find it.

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My first, yeah, Beijing Modular, this is my walkabout from day one.

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I'm not going to play all of it, but it'll just give you a sense, and you can see how

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good the camera was as well.

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So, I've been at Beijing Modular.

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So, here I am in the morning.

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You can see a bit of the sculpture behind me.

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We were here last night with Tammy X and Alex.

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I'll fast forward it so we can see some of the art stuff.

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Quite the venue to be listening, isn't it?

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And there's some more stuff here.

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This is one of the venues.

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This is called The Cube, which is a bit like the Tate Modern.

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It reminds me of that place in...

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And just imagine playing in that.

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That's just unusual.

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So, here there's a...

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Let's see what else I can find.

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Here's the Atmos.

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Or something similar, or a steam pipe or something.

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And that's a couple of the Dutch Modular, Belgian Modular guys.

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Hang out with them quite a lot.

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Anyway, I hope that gives you a flavour.

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I mean, it really is a unique...

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Anyway, that was it.

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So, I was at Beijing Modular.

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Beijing Modular organised by Tammy X, who does a fantastic job, together with Alex.

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And it's literally...

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Wow.

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I want to give a shout-out to Kino, who picked me up at the airport.

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And also a shout-out to the excellently named Shimmer Green,

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who took me to the station for my train to Shanghai.

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But honestly, it was a really, really eye-opening event.

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Absolutely fascinating.

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I mean, I shot lots of interesting videos there.

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You can check them all out.

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But one of the things that came up, I guess, was later in Music China.

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Everybody was talking about firmware and the hacking and stuff.

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Because things moved on a pace.

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We were slightly ahead of the game from our previous cover show that we did with Gertz,

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who I also, incidentally, saw in China as well.

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He was there.

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Really interesting overall, just the Chinese experience,

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but all of the other stuff as well.

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So, I don't know if I've got any...

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I mean, some of you may have watched some of the videos.

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I did post a load of blogs and walkabouts to our members as well, which are kind of good fun.

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Rich, have you been to China?

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It sort of strikes me as that you would have done as a synth designer.

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It's the sort of thing that one does these days.

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Have you been?

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I haven't been to China yet.

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I can't wait to go.

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Your videos, those walkthroughs were amazing.

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I was so jealous.

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Oh, my God.

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That Beijing show looked like the coolest thing I'd ever seen.

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They really went hard on this thing.

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And the amount of art that was produced for this

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and the scope that they did it at was just...

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I was awestruck by your video.

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I couldn't believe it.

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I actually texted my partner.

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I'm like, we have to go to this next year.

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This looks so fun and looks really, really cool.

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So, I was watching all your videos, super jealous.

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The only thing I will say is there were many people there who were first-timers in China,

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and them, like me, had all these preconceived ideas about what it would be like.

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You know, there'd be people with guns on every corner suppressing the population.

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And it really couldn't have been further from the truth.

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Really, really very interesting overall.

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But that's an aside.

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But, yeah, what happened was all of us who'd been for the first time,

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we all had this kind of slightly...

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It was like culture shock, but it's not that different.

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It's just the notion that a country of that size and that economic power

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can be run on such a completely different set of parameters.

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You know, collectivism and without democracy.

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It just sort of blows your mind.

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It makes you sort of question all of the things you know about your own society.

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We all had this same...

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I had that conversation with everybody I met who'd been there the first time and said...

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I mean, one of the things that I found is just like I thought,

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as the West, we don't stand a bloody chance

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because they are so organised, so much planning.

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You know, you go to the streets there,

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there are 50 kinds of electronic vehicles you've never heard of,

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manufacturers we've never heard of,

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and you can times that via washing machines, whatever.

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Not synthesizers yet, but that's starting to happen.

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It's really starting to blur.

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Very interesting overall, I think.

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I can't really say...

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I don't think there was a load of stuff that really blew my mind in terms of product,

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but there were some really good things and lots of experimental things.

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Things that are just like, hey, what do you think?

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This is an idea.

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And also lots of manufacturers that say,

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oh yeah, we make all the stuff for manufacturer A, B, C, D,

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and these are our own things.

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There are lots of people there who are making things, OEM stuff,

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and that was also quite enlightening as well.

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Very, very interesting.

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If you can stomach it, it's worth watching as many of the videos you can

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because you'll get a sort of sense of it.

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While I'm on the brain dump thing,

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big shout out to Andy for doing all the edits of that.

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That was just mind-blowing.

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And all the sponsors for supporting us.

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And also all the people who were courageous enough

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to speak on camera in not their native language.

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That was the one thing I found really challenging

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because I speak no Chinese at all,

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apart from xie xie and ni hao, which is thank you and hello.

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That's it.

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And badly.

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So many of these people were just –

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some of them were terribly, terribly nervous.

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Some of them didn't kind of – just gave it a go.

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And it was really heartbreaking to see some of the people

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who were unkind in the comments because it's just, you know,

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screw you, you try it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It was really – so fair play.

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And I think it's going to be better next time

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and we'll figure out other things.

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We've got a few videos that we shot in Chinese

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because there was just no way around it,

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which will be coming up.

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I'm just waiting for the translations to be okay

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because I want to check all of that out.

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So there.

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That's my brain dump.

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Modular China.

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Modular Commune China.

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Absolutely fascinating.

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And then Music China afterwards.

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I've got a video from there as well,

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but there's a whole load of stuff.

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Yeah, any questions, I'm happy to answer,

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seeing as I'm the only person who's been,

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I'm guessing as you haven't yet.

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I was invited to perform there actually,

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but unfortunately we couldn't do it.

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So hopefully next year.

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So there was an incredible lineup of performers.

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150.

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Wow.

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But I would like to, what it was,

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basically what they did is that venue was a gallery

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and so those installations were there already

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and then they worked around them,

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put the PAs in, chose the rooms.

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Some of the rooms were a bit large,

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so it made it quite hard for sort of techno.

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You were the six second bass drum reverb perhaps.

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They just turned it up.

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That's all that happened.

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So it was very much like an EMOM.

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So there were lots and lots of local artists

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who would come along and do a 20 minute set

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and they were going all day every day.

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So that's why there were so many.

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So it was on the EMOM style.

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So they just had, I don't know,

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like maybe six rows of tables with 20 people set up

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and they just come along, plug you in,

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right, your turn, unplug.

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So similar, so principle.

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And then there were sort of master classes

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and other artists.

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Anon Bast was there.

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Shout out to Mandy Backer from Jungle of Wires.

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She was such good.

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I met her for the first time.

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We really hit it off.

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I really enjoyed her company and she was great fun.

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She did a little video with us as well.

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So they were sort of dotted with other international

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sort of slightly more well known artists

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and it was very well curated.

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Really, really very well made from that point of view.

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So I mean, did you, I mean,

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it feels like there's a whole new,

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a huge amount of people coming into music technology

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there in China.

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Was that really apparent then?

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Was there a lot of people?

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Was there a lot of punters there?

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Yeah, it's very interesting because the art,

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the district that it's held in is like an art district.

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So it's, think about sort of a Berlin warehouse district

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that's been taken over by artists and sort of modernised

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and, you know, poshed up a bit.

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That whole area was kind of like that.

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So lots of galleries, lots of other things.

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So the whole event was free.

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So people who were just there for the weekend

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when it gets quite busy, they just came in.

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So there are lots of people there who had no idea

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what they were letting themselves in for.

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And also lots of people who came specifically for it.

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There are lots of people travelled from outside Beijing.

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I met quite a few Westerners who'd been living in China

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for sort of 20 years.

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A British guy, a guy called, I think he was called Kevin, I think.

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I forget his name.

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But I spent, you know, I had some very interesting chats

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with those sort of people.

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So a big, a big sort of, just around, you know,

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lots of different sorts of people.

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It wasn't like rammed as in really bad, really mad

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Synth & Pedal Expo where you can barely move.

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But there were plenty of people over sort of two or three days.

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So it worked very well from that point of view.

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And they were very pleased with the number of people that showed up.

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But I can heartily recommend both Gaz and Rich

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that you look into going next time.

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Because Devin Ballinger was there.

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He stayed at the same hotel.

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So we hung out a bit.

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Lots and lots of fun people to, you know,

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just really interesting place to be.

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So, I mean, looking at the footage though,

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I mean, there were some interesting things.

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The Erica Synths graphic sequencer had an interesting approach.

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I thought that was kind of cool.

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Yeah, that did look good, didn't it?

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Yeah.

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That was good.

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And, uh, anything else?

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I liked the look of the wing pinger.

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Funny little name.

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Oh, yeah.

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But he looks really cool.

431
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Yeah.

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He was really cool with the two resonant filters

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and the kind of touch screen interface.

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Like a sort of modern, like an update of this really, isn't it?

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Yes, kind of.

436
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Yeah, it was.

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Except it was more, there wasn't a resonator.

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There were two pingable filters that have very high Qs,

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so slightly different things.

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Yes.

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But, yeah, there was some great stuff there.

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And, of course, the most bizarre thing was

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I got introduced to a guy called Wang Di,

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who is the godfather of Chinese rock and roll,

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who's one of the first producers in the 70s, in the 80s and 90s.

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And his people came over and said,

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do you want to come to my studio?

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And normally I'd just go, oh, I don't know, it's, you know, going to be buzzed.

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He says, no, it's three minutes around the corner, so we just went to his place,

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couldn't speak any English, couldn't speak any Chinese,

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showed me his studio and came out.

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And it was just, it was a lovely sort of, you know,

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it was just all of that stuff.

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Just absolutely fantastic.

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Brilliant.

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Such, such friendly people.

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Such friendly people.

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And for a city, this is all of the cities,

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again, quite like Japan in that, you know,

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you could leave your handbag on a bus stop

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and it would be there six hours later,

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or somebody would have left a note saying it's in the shop across the road.

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You know, it's that, just no street crying whatsoever.

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Very interesting.

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Wow.

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So, yeah.

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So, yeah, I got accused of China maxing,

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which is apparently a thing.

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Don't know what that means, but yeah.

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I think you would find it very...

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So, anyway, that's that.

472
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So, but the other thing that came out of it,

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because people, while we were out, there were things that came out.

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So, for instance, let me see.

475
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The Akai sample key has come out, which, let me find that.

476
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Yeah.

477
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Which is also open source,

478
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and this seems to be a direct result to the Envave people who I spoke to.

479
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So, I'll just play this quickly.

480
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So, everybody...

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00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,960
Well, actually, it's half past.

482
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,960
I should do an ad.

483
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Sorry.

484
00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,960
Scrub that.

485
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:00,960
I'm coming back for this.

486
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,960
I'll be back after this.

487
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:35,960
Short, short, short message.

488
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Yes.

489
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,960
And now I'll come back and I'll play the video that I was going to play.

490
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Sorry about that.

491
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:40,960
Let's do that again.

492
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,960
So, everybody's talking about sample keys,

493
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,960
so we decided to show some more stuff that we can do with this product.

494
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:52,960
First of all, I asked Claude here to create a polyphonic virtual analog synth

495
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,960
with an oscilloscope UI, and this is what it gave me.

496
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Then I asked him to make a bass sort of instrument and just add it onto my unit.

497
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,960
Next, here we've got the stock software, just to show you that it can actually do lots of really cool things.

498
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,960
So, for example...

499
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,960
Yeah, interestingly, he's not switching the patches within those individual things,

500
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,960
so I don't know how much of this...

501
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,960
But, again, MPC sample.

502
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,960
I really like the look of this.

503
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,960
I don't know how much it is yet, but I think...

504
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,960
What, the MPC key, sorry, the key sample.

505
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:35,960
Sample key, that's what it is.

506
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:42,960
But the MPC sample was about £325.30, so this might be more expensive.

507
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,960
But the fact that they've opened it up is a really interesting thing,

508
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,960
and I'd be curious to know whether they've given access to the bootloader,

509
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,960
because as we spoke to with Gertz in the last Sonic talk we did,

510
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,960
one of those things is if you brick your machine, if you don't have access to the bootloader,

511
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,960
there's not much that can be done about it,

512
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,960
whereas if you do, you can just put the original software back on,

513
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,960
assuming you haven't actually fried anything,

514
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,960
and it will just come back to how it was and you start again.

515
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,960
So those are the things that are kind of interesting.

516
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,960
But, I don't know, Gertz, I know the MPC sample and the MPC key, this just looks great.

517
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,960
I love the look of this.

518
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,960
I might have to actually put my hand in my pocket and get this.

519
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,960
This looks fantastic.

520
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,960
I was feeling the same.

521
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,960
I mean, I played around with the MPC sample, and I thought it was a really good product.

522
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,960
It's got a great feel, and it's, you know, for a relatively cheap product,

523
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,960
it's actually got a good quality build about it.

524
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,960
So assuming then that that is going to be the same on the key,

525
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,960
and I don't see any reason why not,

526
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:49,960
I think this kind of is something that we've wanted for years, really, something like this.

527
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:58,960
It's like, well, I say that, and then there's this open source aspect to it as well.

528
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,960
But the actual form factor is super pleasing.

529
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,960
Yeah, very little.

530
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,960
Yeah.

531
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,960
So I'm guessing then if, like, with being able to vibe code it or whatever,

532
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:22,960
you could create your own, you know, really bespoke performance keyboard, say, for instance.

533
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,960
Well, perhaps so.

534
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,960
I mean, it's still quite small.

535
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,960
I mean, it's not full size kind of, you know.

536
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,960
Oh, yeah, I appreciate that.

537
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,960
But, you know, in terms of, like, you know, if you were, like, doing a gig,

538
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,960
and you were doing a load of kind of prog rock stuff or whatever,

539
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:43,960
and you wanted a, you know, you could have, like, a set list,

540
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,960
and you could have all of the different kind of sounds that you want for the set list.

541
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Yeah.

542
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,960
Yeah, true.

543
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,960
You know, and create that specifically for, you know,

544
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:02,960
so if you were in a Genesis tribute band or something, you know, you could, you know.

545
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,960
Get an old soloist or something.

546
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Yeah, make it a pro soloist or something like that, you know.

547
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,960
Well, I mean, I suspect, I mean, you know, that it's going to have limitations, you know.

548
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,960
It's not got masses of DSP and spare code that you could just kind of write.

549
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,960
Code is super efficient, you know.

550
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,960
But, yes.

551
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,960
But if you put the samples in, if you put the samples in, and, I mean,

552
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,960
it would be interesting to see.

553
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,960
We were going to talk possibly about the decent samplers kind of auto sample function.

554
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,960
Oh, yeah.

555
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,960
Oh, yes, am I.

556
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,960
I love that.

557
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,960
But, I mean, if you had that, if you then sort of somehow add something like that into it,

558
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,960
like an auto sampler, you know, into that form factor.

559
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,960
Could be very, very interesting.

560
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,960
Yeah.

561
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:54,960
Yeah.

562
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,960
I don't know, Rich, what do you think about this?

563
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,960
I mean, lovely form factor.

564
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,960
I mean, we've talked about MPCs before, and it feels like this somehow.

565
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:08,960
I like the fact that it's, you know, the bigger MPCs just look a little bit overly complicated to focus on.

566
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,960
You know, this just focuses on the basics, which I quite like the idea.

567
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,960
I like that somehow.

568
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,960
Yeah, there's something about taking an MPC, like the MPC-1 or the MPC-Q,

569
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,960
and removing the DAW from it, and that's kind of what these feel like.

570
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,960
And I think that's why people really are drawn to them,

571
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:34,960
because it gives you the instrument without the burden of this huge DAW workflow that you have.

572
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,960
And I think that's what people are really drawn to.

573
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
That's what I'm drawn to.

574
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,960
I think this thing, the MPC, the small one, the sample is great for that.

575
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,960
The form factor is fantastic.

576
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,960
I'm not a keyboard player, so I would stick with the sample version.

577
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,960
But, yeah, the keys are great.

578
00:32:52,960 --> 00:33:00,960
And for someone that can play, it seems, yeah, it's a fun thing to have sitting on your desk that you can turn on and just enjoy.

579
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:09,960
I think that's where a lot of this vibe coding and this open sourcing of code and all that is really getting to,

580
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:16,960
is it's opening the doors to make it easier to just enjoy your instruments and to play.

581
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,960
I don't think every doubt there is hurry up and download Cloud Code and start coding these things.

582
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,960
But I think for a small community, that's the fun.

583
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:35,960
But I think for the people that are just going to sort of get these instruments and turn them on and use them, they're fantastic.

584
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,960
And the idea that they're becoming more powerful incrementally,

585
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:45,960
even if you just stick to what Akai is putting on these things, it's going to be amazing what you can do.

586
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,960
I'm very excited for this stuff.

587
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,960
These little MPCs are great.

588
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,960
And there's a lot of this stuff coming out from a lot of different companies right now.

589
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,960
Some of it is sort of vaporware, and some of it is sort of, oh, just imagine what you can do.

590
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:04,960
But for actual musicians, I think there's going to be in the next couple of years,

591
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,960
there's going to be a tremendous amount of creativity brought into these.

592
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:21,960
What would have been sort of beginner instruments just a couple of years ago are becoming professional tools that you can really cater to very specific artists.

593
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,960
It's amazing.

594
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,960
I love it.

595
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,960
Yeah, I totally agree.

596
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:31,960
I know, Pauly, I can see in the same way that the, remember the, what is it, the MicroKorg?

597
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,960
Was it the original MicroKorg?

598
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,960
MicroKorg was just like, it was on everybody.

599
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,960
Every indie band had one of those that they would play a bit of synth line on it and then turn back to their guitar.

600
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,960
I can see this being sort of the sample equivalent of that and seeing it everywhere.

601
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,960
Do you know what I mean?

602
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,960
Because it will play stems.

603
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,960
Definitely.

604
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,960
It's really powerful.

605
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,960
I love the fact that they've gone back to beige.

606
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:02,960
Akai needs to be the beautiful beige colour of the old samplers.

607
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:08,960
So I don't care what it sounds like, you know, as long as it's beige.

608
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,960
As long as it's beige.

609
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,960
And says Akai on it, I'll buy it.

610
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:22,960
But yeah, obviously, as a professional contrarian these days, vibe coding is not particularly interesting to me.

611
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:30,960
And I'm wondering if we're almost, you remember that options paralysis we had in the 2000s?

612
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,960
Yes, absolutely.

613
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Where you had too many plugins installed on your Mac or PC.

614
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Are we kind of doing that to hardware now?

615
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,960
Fair point.

616
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,960
We're just stuffing our envaves and our Akais with hundreds of things.

617
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:54,960
But I am interested in seeing the SDK because I am a big pure data fan.

618
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:07,960
And there exists great tools, ones called Heavy, to convert pure data patches into C++.

619
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,960
And so that's what I'm excited about, you know.

620
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:22,960
And I've created a pure data workflow where I can import samples into pure data and then get them into my sense.

621
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,960
You know, I made a bunch for Drumlog and some used FM, some used samples, things like that.

622
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,960
So that's exciting to me.

623
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:37,960
So, yeah, my point is that it doesn't have to be generated by Claude.

624
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:46,960
People who actually like to tinker with code, although they're a dying breed, can work on these instruments too if they're open source.

625
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,960
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?

626
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,960
I take your point about option paralysis.

627
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,960
But there's also the concept of using hardware because, I mean, all of us do this.

628
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:03,960
We all have our little setups and we find our little workflows and we maybe use tools in the way that they weren't originally designed.

629
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,960
Or we find something that has a specific function that enables it to work in the way we want.

630
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,960
And I wonder whether or not it's more akin to that.

631
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:18,960
So you might find that you can turn the Akai, the sample keys, into, like Gaz said, an auto sampler, hardware auto sampler.

632
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,960
Or something that enables you to do something else that is a stepping stone to get to where you need to go.

633
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Rather than just kind of which firmware am I going to – I mean, it's hard enough just flipping patches.

634
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Imagine flipping firmwares because, I mean, each time you do it, you're going to have to reboot.

635
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,960
It's a really long load time.

636
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,960
It's not quite the same sort of immediate thing, is it?

637
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960
No, it isn't.

638
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,960
I did want to state briefly that if you do completely brick a machine, there are ways back.

639
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,960
But it means you have to buy specialised little headers.

640
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,960
I think it's called JTAG.

641
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:59,960
Headers are USB to JTAG device and flash the pins on the device to recover a bricked device.

642
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:05,960
So usually you can't completely – usually there's a way.

643
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960
But you have to be a bit techie, basically, to do it.

644
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Yeah. No, fair.

645
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,960
Funnily enough, I went to the sort of digital part in Shanghai.

646
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,960
I found like a digital supermarket.

647
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,960
You'd go to the digital zone, and it was like two floors of white goods and second-hand hard drives.

648
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,960
And then you go upstairs, and there's all these little booths with people with just kind of stuff all over the place,

649
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,960
like Blade Runner, soldering on these micro, tiny little circuit boards.

650
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,960
Oh, my God, that's amazing.

651
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,960
It was like, ooh, I really wanted to film that, but I felt very self-conscious of sort of just pointing cameras at everybody.

652
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960
But I didn't get around to it, so yeah.

653
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,960
I'd really love to walk through there in a clear raincoat looking cool.

654
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:46,960
It was that sort of place.

655
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960
It was absolutely that sort of place.

656
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,960
It really was.

657
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960
I think you could have done that, and nobody would have batted an eye.

658
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,960
Gad, you look like you were about to say something.

659
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Well, I just thought, you know, just whilst we were talking about firmwares and stuff, you know,

660
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960
PolyEnd have done it now with the Tracker line.

661
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,960
They've just open-sourced that.

662
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Right.

663
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Wow.

664
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,960
Those are lovely physical devices.

665
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:18,960
The original Tracker, you know, is a really nice kind of form factor.

666
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,960
It's a really cool thing.

667
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:28,960
So they've also issued a pretty significant update for it as well and now put it out to the community.

668
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:29,960
That's interesting.

669
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:30,960
Yeah.

670
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,960
I mean, they're really, really nice.

671
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,960
I wonder, I mean, as a question, I know we covered this in the last show that we did,

672
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,960
but as a question, do you think it might, and I guess, Rich, you might be best placed to answer this,

673
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,960
do you think it might actually lead to sales of more hardware because you can,

674
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,960
you're not only just buying the thing that it does,

675
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,960
but you could buy the thing that it might do that you could download from somebody else

676
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:54,960
or you could do yourself?

677
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,960
I mean, I wonder whether it might actually increase sales rather than have the opposite effect.

678
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,960
And also, you might have to buy more because you keep bricking them, possibly, I suppose.

679
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:12,960
I think it will increase sales certainly right now because this is sort of on the –

680
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,960
it's in everybody's mind right now and everybody's talking about it.

681
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,960
But I think once the sort of initial rush of this is over, the idea will be that, yeah,

682
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,960
there will be certain people that will say, I like the form factor of this,

683
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,960
but I want to do something else,

684
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,960
and they will buy it because they know that they can work on the firmware and create something

685
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,960
and do something that's specific to them using this beautiful instrument that they love the look of.

686
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,960
And I think what will happen is there's going to become –

687
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,960
you're going to buy for the form factor and you're going to buy for the hardware feature set.

688
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,960
And really, these are just small computers and they're going to start –

689
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,960
you could program it to do whatever you want.

690
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,960
What it's – what I think you're going to see is then that where –

691
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,960
that's going to diverge is when companies start to say,

692
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,960
okay, here are some hardware things built into ours that aren't available in other things.

693
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,960
So in the world of synthesis, and I don't know why I would mention this, but I design hardware synthesis.

694
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,960
Log filters, for instance.

695
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,960
Yeah, say you have hardware filters built in or you have oscillators

696
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:32,960
or you have something that is specific to your brand or your image as a company,

697
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,960
that's going to allow you to stand out from the crowd

698
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,960
and to offer something that you're not going to get from these generic boxes

699
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,960
that are now essentially just computer controllers with a computer built in.

700
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,960
Because that's sort of what all these things are turning into,

701
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:54,960
is just what type of computer controller do I want sitting outside of this computer

702
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,960
and what do I want it to look like?

703
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,960
I think that's very exciting.

704
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,960
But what I think it is is there's a very vocal minority right now

705
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,960
that are sort of praising the idea of this,

706
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,960
where most musicians I don't think are going to be downloading alternative firmwares.

707
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,960
No, not for a gig.

708
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,960
I've got a stadium gig tonight.

709
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,960
I know.

710
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,960
I'm just going to try some new firmware in my workstation.

711
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Why ever not? I don't think so.

712
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,960
Yeah, I don't see that happening.

713
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:28,960
Yeah, another interesting question is what happens when the hardware has an FPGA in it?

714
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,960
Because you can reprogram the kind of electronics of it.

715
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,960
Is that a thing that you could – I mean, I just don't know.

716
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,960
I mean, I assume also FPGAs can be set up so that you could break them.

717
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,960
You know, you can connect things in a wrong way and it might sizzle or something.

718
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,960
I don't know.

719
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,960
I mean, it's an interesting thought.

720
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,960
That could be an interesting idea.

721
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,960
And then you get the sort of notion of these kind of superstar coders,

722
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,960
DSP coders like, you know, Emily before she sort of retired

723
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,960
and the Sine Vibes people and, you know, some of these –

724
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,960
Plogue, yeah.

725
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,960
Plogue, who will curate and go,

726
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,960
I've come up with this thing.

727
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,960
This hardware has allowed me to realise this amazing idea that I couldn't have, you know.

728
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,960
I wonder if that's what we'll end up with.

729
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,960
There is some news there as well.

730
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Emily has just released the – has open sourced Beads,

731
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,960
which is the final Mutable Instruments module,

732
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:28,960
and wasn't currently open – wasn't available open source.

733
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:29,960
Now is.

734
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,960
So that's going to probably be appearing in all sorts of places now.

735
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Yes.

736
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,960
It's Beads.

737
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,960
And this is how fast that stuff works is I already put that in the Microfold software

738
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,960
that I released.

739
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Wow.

740
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:53,960
I hear she was kind of forced into it because someone disassembled it

741
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,960
and then said to her, oh, can I release it?

742
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,960
And she didn't answer.

743
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,960
And then a week later released it herself.

744
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,960
So she must have been like, the writing's on the wall.

745
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,960
I've got to, you know.

746
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,960
And I think it's fair to say, you know,

747
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,960
there was one example when I was in China.

748
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,960
You know, Soma people were there.

749
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,960
They were one of our sponsors, which I want to say thanks to that.

750
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,960
But they were there, and I filmed a couple of things with Tim Croker.

751
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:21,960
Really nice guy.

752
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,960
We spent a couple of evenings together.

753
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,960
Really had great fun with him.

754
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,960
And also, so Glenn was there as well,

755
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,960
and they had heard that someone had basically made –

756
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,960
I can't remember what the name of the unit was – one of their units.

757
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,960
And I went upstairs, and the immediate thought was, uh-oh,

758
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,960
does this mean there are people in Chinese factories

759
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,960
ready to stamp these out and undercut us?

760
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,960
And it wasn't actually that at all.

761
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,960
It was a very sweet girl who had just built one because she loved it

762
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,960
and wanted to make her own thing and figure it out.

763
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960
And she goes, oh, no, because I went up to her and said,

764
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,960
and I said, oh, what's this?

765
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,960
And she said, oh, I made it.

766
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,960
And I said, ah, you're the person that they've been talking about.

767
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,960
I probably shouldn't film this unless I speak to Soma

768
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,960
because it may give the wrong impression.

769
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,960
But she just did it for fun, and they saw her.

770
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,960
I didn't get a chance to go back to her in the end.

771
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,960
And they just saw her, and they said, oh, yeah, that's cool.

772
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,960
That's the spirit of kind of – so it's more of a sense of enthusiasm

773
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,960
rather than an evil genius ready to sort of just completely

774
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,960
rip off your equipment and sell it.

775
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,960
You know, that does happen as well, of course.

776
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,960
But, yeah, it's a different thing.

777
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,960
Nick, did you see the Dreadbox Electo, the new Dreadbox?

778
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,960
I haven't yet.

779
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,960
I mean, literally, I've been – for almost the last three weeks,

780
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,960
I've just been kind of head down in –

781
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,960
I mean, I think it was announced.

782
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,960
Behind a firewall.

783
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:42,960
It was announced yesterday.

784
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,960
And I think what is quite – it's quite an interesting one

785
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,960
in that it's just the reason why I've mentioned it.

786
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,960
It's like a – yes, but, I mean, it's kind of super simple

787
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,960
in that it's just like two channels.

788
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,960
And it's – I just thought that the way that you program it is great.

789
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,960
It feels very much like more of a modular way of going about stuff.

790
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:04,960
Right.

791
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Okay.

792
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Interesting.

793
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,960
Yeah.

794
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,960
I think it's worth what – it's worth checking out almost

795
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,960
because it's almost like an anathema to some of the things

796
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,960
we have just been talking about.

797
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,960
It's kind of – you really have to perform it.

798
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:21,960
Yeah.

799
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:22,960
Right.

800
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960
Hold that thought because I need to get another ad in.

801
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Got to pay the bills, folks.

802
00:46:27,960 --> 00:47:29,960
And we'll be back shortly after this.

803
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:30,960
And we're back.

804
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,960
So I'm just trying to think what else we could go to because, I mean,

805
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,960
we've also got the Behringer KICK.

806
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,960
I mean, I went to see Behringer at Music China.

807
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,960
They had a big booth.

808
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,960
But it's interesting, the way that things work in China is very different.

809
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,960
You don't get, like, the brand showing up.

810
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,960
It's like the distributor with the brands on it.

811
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,960
So, for instance, Korg had a booth about the size of this table.

812
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,960
And it was just – it really sort of blew my mind.

813
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,960
It's because they don't have a distributor in – that does big synth

814
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,960
stuff in China.

815
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,960
So they were there in a sort of much smaller capacity.

816
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:00,960
The same with Roland.

817
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,960
You know, Roland probably had something in the drum hall but not really much

818
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,960
in the synth department.

819
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,960
It's really fascinating because, for those who didn't know,

820
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,960
Tammy X, who organized Music Beijing – Modular Beijing in Music China,

821
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,960
think about the super booth concept from Music Messa Days, you know,

822
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,960
where it was a big – a huge booth sort of size.

823
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:21,960
This was much bigger than a booth.

824
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,960
It was, like, an eighth of the hall with just sub-booths in it.

825
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,960
So she organizes that as well, which I find kind of mind-boggling,

826
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,960
to be honest, but, you know, really kind of a big shaker and mover in

827
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,960
bringing all those people together.

828
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,960
So I forgot where that was taking me.

829
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,960
Oh, yeah, and then we went to see Behringer, and she showed me.

830
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,960
But Behringer had a lot of things, and they open-sourced – what was it?

831
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:44,960
This kick thing, isn't it?

832
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,960
This is on Synth Anatomy.

833
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,960
Tom's been on top of things, as usual.

834
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Let me see if I can find that.

835
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,960
Yeah, I mean, you know, that's an MPC-1, really, isn't it?

836
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,960
But they've open-sourced it.

837
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,960
But again, this is a picture.

838
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,960
It wasn't on the booth.

839
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:00,960
Who knows when it's going to be ready?

840
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,960
But this is just the sort of speed at which things are moving,

841
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,960
and obviously the way that the Behringer organization just throws

842
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,960
all this stuff out, and some of it may come to fruition.

843
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,960
And in a way, that's quite – must be quite liberating.

844
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,960
I mean, I know there's a lot of other elements to the whole

845
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,960
Behringer business model that are distasteful for some or whatever,

846
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,960
but the point is, if you've got those resources and you can just go,

847
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,960
yeah, give us your ideas, and you throw them out to the public,

848
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,960
one of them just goes, yeah, fantastic, let's make that,

849
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,960
and then it's worth doing, and you take it further.

850
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,960
I saw the Pro-16 there.

851
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,960
I saw a Poly-8, which I'd not seen before.

852
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,960
I saw the BCR-32, which was pretty cool.

853
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:43,960
So there's – there are a lot – the BCR – yeah, the – that wasn't there.

854
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,960
But this Behringer kick, they're aiming to make it at 150 bucks.

855
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,960
I mean –

856
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,960
Wow.

857
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,960
Again, it's all – well, this point is just words, isn't it?

858
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,960
So it's hard to be absolutely sure.

859
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,960
I think Behringer are streaming the live – they're live streaming every day now,

860
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:02,960
and they're streaming a factory tour at the same time as us.

861
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,960
I don't know if people are over there watching that,

862
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,960
but it's – maybe they've got two screens up.

863
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,960
But so it just feels like there's a massive pace.

864
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,960
Everybody's just sort of really speeding up,

865
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,960
and there's a sort of interesting new –

866
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,960
Yes.

867
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,960
I don't know.

868
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,960
Richard, I mean, it must be terrifying in a way,

869
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,960
because things take as long as they take.

870
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,960
You make them.

871
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:22,960
You want to get – put them out right.

872
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,960
You do that.

873
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,960
You know, a concept you have 12 months ago, 18 months later,

874
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,960
you might just be about to release it, and then, you know, the market's –

875
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,960
it's very difficult to plan for, I'd imagine.

876
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,960
But in a way, it's exciting as a consumer to a degree.

877
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,960
As a manufacturer, we're – me and my partner,

878
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,960
we're talking about this stuff every day,

879
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:51,960
and now what we think it's going to do to our business

880
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,960
and to the market in general.

881
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,960
And, you know, we're musicians as well, so, you know,

882
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,960
how does it affect us as musicians is obvious.

883
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:05,960
And I think from, you know, a design perspective,

884
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:11,960
it does take us – 18 months for us is a pretty fast process for a sort of

885
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,960
full-blown hardware instrument.

886
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,960
We've been – we have a drum machine coming out in January,

887
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,960
and it'll be right around 18 months or 19 months when that's available,

888
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,960
and we feel like we flew that through,

889
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,960
and we're very proud of how fast we were able to do it.

890
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:39,960
Things like the SV-2 took us three years to get it from idea to the market.

891
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,960
And, yeah, the market has sort of moved on from these big kind of battleship

892
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,960
monosynth things.

893
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:52,960
But as far – you can't – as a manufacturer, you can't sort of follow that.

894
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,960
You can't chase this hot thing.

895
00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,960
We can't sit here and say, okay, now we need to make an FM-1.

896
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,960
It's not going to work.

897
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,960
What makes Pittsburgh interesting, and I think what all these hardware companies

898
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,960
interesting is that they sort of follow their muse,

899
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,960
and they build stuff for them that's interesting to them and to us.

900
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:21,960
And that is what I think we offer as designers is we offer a creative angle

901
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,960
and a point of view instead of just –

902
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,960
I do want to interject.

903
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:27,960
All right.

904
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:28,960
Okay.

905
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:29,960
Go, Paulie.

906
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:38,960
I do want to interject that I don't necessarily think this was done to be mean-spirited,

907
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:45,960
but one line of the advertising for the new Behringer Kick was the line,

908
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,960
imagine millions of creators innovating together instead of a handful of engineers

909
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,960
behind closed doors.

910
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,960
Gosh.

911
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,960
Yeah, that's –

912
00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,960
God, goodness.

913
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:01,960
I suppose – yeah.

914
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,960
It could have been an accident.

915
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,960
It could have just been the way in my British accent.

916
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,960
It does sound a little bit like Mr. Bond.

917
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,960
Yeah, there is a bit of that.

918
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,960
I suppose maybe I should rephrase that, Richard.

919
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,960
It's not necessarily the time it takes you to finish something,

920
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,960
but if you have a whole load of ideas and you tell people about them and say,

921
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,960
we're going to make this, what do you think?

922
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:25,960
Maybe that's what's happening.

923
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,960
So people are just going to go, what do you think?

924
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Should we make it?

925
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:29,960
And then you make it.

926
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,960
I mean, there's only two of you or however many there are in your company.

927
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:37,960
Maybe – because I'd imagine that MPC1 concept or that MPC Kick or whatever it is,

928
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,960
the Behringer Kick concept probably has been cooking for several months

929
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,960
or many months or a year or whatever,

930
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,960
but they've just announced it early to see whether or not they should push it

931
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,960
over the next milestones maybe.

932
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:49,960
So maybe there's that.

933
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,960
Maybe I'm thinking of that rather than just – so throwing it out there before it's ready

934
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,960
to see if anybody wants it yet kind of concept.

935
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,960
There seems to be some one-ups going on between Behringer and MPC right now.

936
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:09,960
MPC was – or Akai was clearly not ready to start talking about the sample keyboard yet,

937
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,960
but they did that in a response to this Behringer,

938
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:20,960
which is very clearly a clone of the MPC1 with the idea that it's –

939
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,960
I'm not sure all these companies are throwing the word around open source pre-liberally.

940
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,960
I'm not sure exactly what they mean by that.

941
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,960
They're saying this thing is open source.

942
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,960
Does that mean this goes forward or up on their website that there's an –

943
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:39,960
or does that mean that there's an SDK that you can go and build towards it with?

944
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,960
There's a lot.

945
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:42,960
Is the firmware open source?

946
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:43,960
There's a lot here.

947
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,960
I think people are very excited right now.

948
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,960
People are reaching a new sort of era in what you can do digitally,

949
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,960
but no one's really defined what any of that means yet.

950
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,960
So I think there's a lot of excitement and enthusiasm.

951
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:04,960
How much really comes out of this I think we'll see in the next 12 to 18 months.

952
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:05,960
Yeah, I think that's fair.

953
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:06,960
It's going to be interesting.

954
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:07,960
That's a fair point.

955
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,960
I should add I did do a video of sounds only of the Korg – not the Korg,

956
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,960
the Behringer Poly 8, which I thought was quite nice, a very simple synthesizer.

957
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,960
I went back and I did shoot a Pro 16 video as well,

958
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,960
but honestly it didn't really sound all that good if I'm perfectly honest.

959
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,960
I was like hmm, the Poly 8 sounded better or was more immediate.

960
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:30,960
Maybe it just wasn't finished.

961
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,960
I mean it was impressive hardware, but it just didn't really kind of go hmm.

962
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,960
It didn't really sound all that fantastic.

963
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:43,960
The originals, because it's monaural, it's like with my Prophet 600,

964
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:51,960
you kind of need chorus to really bring it home, the Prophet 5 and the Prophet 600.

965
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,960
A little bit of chorus, just stereo it,

966
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,960
and of course the Poly 6 already has ensemble built in,

967
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,960
so that might have been the distinct difference you were getting.

968
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,960
No, really not.

969
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,960
If I was going to say one of the highlights was not the effects on the Poly 8,

970
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,960
I mean I didn't even realise it had them.

971
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:10,960
Really? Wow.

972
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,960
You switch the chorus and the ensemble on and it's all in mono,

973
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,960
so it sort of doesn't make any –

974
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,960
so I'm like well, the point of those time-based things,

975
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,960
isn't it surely to add stereo to a mono thing, but it didn't.

976
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,960
And it didn't on the original anyway,

977
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,960
so I just thought that could have been an upgrade that worked, but it was all right.

978
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,960
Definitely.

979
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,960
I just think – but my impression from that, because I went –

980
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,960
I want a big shout out to – I think it was Kevin who did the walk around.

981
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,960
He didn't actually work for Behringer, he works for the distributor,

982
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,960
and he was just game, he just said yeah, I'll show you around,

983
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:40,960
didn't have anything, any answers.

984
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,960
He got – again, people just sort of flacked him,

985
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,960
and it's like no, you don't understand how things work over there.

986
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,960
People just want to be helpful.

987
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:50,960
They don't think they're going to be kind of castigated

988
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,960
for not knowing everything about the unit.

989
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,960
That's not how it works in that situation, but anyway.

990
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,960
I went out and said to him, do you want me to say anything,

991
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,960
because it felt like he was getting a bit of flack,

992
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,960
and it's like no, he said I'm fine, so just to say.

993
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,960
Yeah, I can't remember what this topic was even about,

994
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,960
but it was the Behringer kit.

995
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,960
That was the sort of – so that was interesting.

996
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,960
I mean it was just – and lots of people were talking about this,

997
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,960
and I spoke to Envave.

998
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,960
Envave, you know, obviously the FM1 kind of started this whole discussion,

999
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,960
and again, it's because it's got a bootloader,

1000
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,960
which means whatever you do, you can always get it back,

1001
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,960
which makes a big difference.

1002
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,960
But also they had little keyboard versions with the same engine.

1003
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,960
Those are hackable as well.

1004
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,960
So there are things with – which is only 80 bucks,

1005
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,960
and it's got a load of ADSR and all that other stuff on it,

1006
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,960
and that's hackable too.

1007
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,960
Just fill your boots.

1008
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,960
It's just the FM1 really caught the public's imagination,

1009
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,960
and they literally – they said – I spoke to –

1010
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,960
I forget the name of the chap I spoke to,

1011
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,960
but he said, yeah, we've been making loads of stuff for years.

1012
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,960
We make OEM stuff as well,

1013
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,960
and this one just seems to have gone doof.

1014
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:00,960
Everybody wants one.

1015
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,960
Everybody's getting them and messing around.

1016
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,960
It's really interesting how that zeitgeist happens, isn't it?

1017
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,960
And then they've got a problem of making enough of them, I suppose.

1018
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,960
I've done all the ads, so we can do whatever we like, Matt.

1019
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:14,960
Wild times.

1020
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,960
Oh, gosh.

1021
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,960
It's five o'clock already.

1022
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:18,960
I can't believe it.

1023
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:24,960
Could I very quickly mention the Plogue thing, the gaming console?

1024
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:25,960
Oh, yes.

1025
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,960
Just because I thought it looked cool.

1026
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,960
I wanted to – yeah, I wanted to quickly –

1027
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,960
and I'll do a shout-out for the decent sampler thing,

1028
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:32,960
because I think that's –

1029
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,960
Millions of cheap emulation handhelds

1030
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,960
could be turned into musical instruments instead of e-waste.

1031
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,960
That was the silly idea I had

1032
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,960
while porting our plug-ins to Linux over the last two years.

1033
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,960
Turns out it's not that easy.

1034
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,960
They often run on limited front-ends, read-only file systems and old keramels.

1035
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,960
But since they boot from SD cards,

1036
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,960
I thought I could try my hands at designing a real-time sound-centric kernel

1037
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,960
without any risk of bricking.

1038
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,960
Soldered serial devices and learned so much

1039
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,960
that I eventually had mainline Debian running.

1040
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,960
When I realized it was powerful enough to run my plug-ins,

1041
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,960
I invited other developers to try my prototype host.

1042
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,960
What happened next was unexpected.

1043
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,960
Their imagination exploded with new gestures and sonic ideas

1044
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,960
tailored specifically for that form factor.

1045
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,960
We've got a lot of work ahead of us still,

1046
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,960
but it's now time for you to check if you already have

1047
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,960
one of those cheap things collecting dust in a drawer.

1048
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,960
There we are, another example of superstar David Fiennes,

1049
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,960
who's one of the superstar coders.

1050
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:30,960
What a great idea.

1051
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,960
It just seems like such a, you know, such a fantastic idea.

1052
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,960
I mean, I guess you'd want –

1053
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,960
the funny thing – there was an article on Peter Kern's thing,

1054
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,960
and the thing that I thought was funny, Paulie,

1055
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,960
was that they said it's probably going to get MIDI 2.0

1056
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:47,960
before many mainstream synths get MIDI 2.0.

1057
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,960
I thought it was quite funny.

1058
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,960
I thought it was amazing.

1059
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,960
I don't actually have one of the specific consoles

1060
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,960
that was mentioned.

1061
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,960
They're all kind of listed on a wiki page,

1062
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:04,960
and I think it's the RK something something 36 something chipset

1063
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,960
that you need to get it working.

1064
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,960
So I went on eBay and had a look,

1065
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,960
and most of these consoles are 30 to 40 quid.

1066
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,960
With a few of the more expensive ones, 50 quid,

1067
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,960
and I just thought, what a great idea.

1068
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,960
But most people might, if you're a gamer,

1069
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,960
have one knocking around in a drawer that you haven't used in ages,

1070
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,960
and I just thought, wow.

1071
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,960
And I think all of the chip, all of the Ploke chip sounds,

1072
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,960
emulations, you know, the SID, the FM, et cetera,

1073
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,960
are going to be on this,

1074
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,960
this new console portable controller.

1075
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:43,960
I'm just so excited.

1076
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,960
Sorry, that's me.

1077
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:46,960
No, fair enough.

1078
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,960
I think that's fair.

1079
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:49,960
I mean, it's great.

1080
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,960
I mean, and also, to be fair, as an industry of computer users,

1081
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,960
we're sort of being forced into this

1082
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,960
because we can't buy computers with enough RAM

1083
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,960
or enough graphics cards or enough hard disk space.

1084
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,960
We as the public just don't have access to that.

1085
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,960
It's wasteful for us to own RAM, Nick.

1086
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:10,960
Who said that?

1087
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,960
Was it the guy, was it Sam?

1088
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,960
I think his name's Sam, isn't it?

1089
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:15,960
Yeah.

1090
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:16,960
Sam Altman, is it Sam Altman?

1091
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,960
Sam Altman, is it?

1092
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:18,960
Yeah, yeah.

1093
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:19,960
What a twat.

1094
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:20,960
Yeah.

1095
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:21,960
Anyway.

1096
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,960
But while I've got, what I do want to do...

1097
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,960
I've been watching my language on this show for, like, five years.

1098
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,960
I think that's well deserved.

1099
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,960
One thing I did want to do a shout-out before we go,

1100
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:37,960
Decent Sampler, which is, as you know,

1101
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,960
we do a lot of our instruments in Decent Sampler.

1102
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:44,960
In fact, I've just been using it to sample the Morpho Econ 6,

1103
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,960
which is out on Friday the 6th.

1104
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:47,960
I've got a review there.

1105
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,960
It's been out to members since I went to China.

1106
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,960
I just sort of threw it out there.

1107
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,960
Let me just play this, because I shot a little bit.

1108
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:54,960
They've added an auto sampler,

1109
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,960
so you can sample direct into Decent Sampler.

1110
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,960
Let me just show you the interface.

1111
01:01:58,960 --> 01:01:59,960
I just wanted to show this.

1112
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:00,960
I've been using this, actually.

1113
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:06,960
So you go to Preset Manager, and then there's a new auto sampler.

1114
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,960
So the auto sampler, you just set your MIDI in and out.

1115
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:11,960
You do your business.

1116
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,960
You set it up.

1117
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,960
I mean, much like something like Sample Robot does layers,

1118
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,960
it does intervals, it does multiple things,

1119
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,960
and then you record your samples.

1120
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:24,960
You get metering, auto loops,

1121
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,960
and then you can just sort of paste it into your template,

1122
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:35,960
so it makes the creation of Decent Sampler instruments much, much easier,

1123
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:36,960
certainly for me.

1124
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,960
So this is actually quite a big deal, I think.

1125
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,960
I'm going to use the game-changer word here,

1126
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,960
certainly in our workflow, because I previously –

1127
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,960
Sample Robot, which is an absolutely brilliant thing

1128
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,960
and does way more than this.

1129
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,960
I mean, they're not dissing it in any way.

1130
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,960
You can sample from software and all sorts of things,

1131
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,960
but it requires a multi-step workflow,

1132
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,960
whereas this one, I just go sample it.

1133
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:57,960
Yeah, that's fine.

1134
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,960
Check the loops, take the samples,

1135
01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:02,960
paste them into my template, which is the entire UI

1136
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,960
with all the effects, all the graphics and everything,

1137
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,960
save it, and there's a new instrument.

1138
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:12,960
It's like, wow, that took like three, four, ten minutes to make a new synth.

1139
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,960
It's really – or one new patch.

1140
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,960
Really powerful, and I think this could absolutely change

1141
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,960
the way that Decent Sampler is perceived.

1142
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,960
I couldn't find any new – there's a blog post.

1143
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,960
Nobody's done a video about any of this.

1144
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,960
It's really interesting, and it's a fantastic way to make your own samples.

1145
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:32,960
Really is very, very –

1146
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,960
And free still? Completely free, right?

1147
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,960
Totally free, yeah. Totally free.

1148
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:40,960
Very, very cool.

1149
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,960
And it's also got – it's now got additional building blocks,

1150
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:45,960
so it's got a little granular oscillator.

1151
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,960
It's got the virtual analog oscillator,

1152
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,960
so you can add those into the key groups and it will be generated.

1153
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,960
So I haven't tested those yet.

1154
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,960
I might try some of that because it would mean a lot of synth redesign,

1155
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,960
and Venus Theory did such a great job on ours.

1156
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,960
To change it would require a whole lot of graphics,

1157
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,960
which may be something I'll do in the future.

1158
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,960
Really cool. I have to say, really cool.

1159
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,960
I don't know, Richard, if you need to sample any of your instruments,

1160
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:13,960
that's the way to go, I would say.

1161
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,960
Gareth, sorry, you were just about to –

1162
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,960
No, I was just going to say the Bento does have that feature built in.

1163
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,960
Yes, it does.

1164
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,960
And just a quick shout-out, the Bento 1.6 has recently dropped

1165
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,960
and is massively improved.

1166
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,960
It's massively improved, this is now.

1167
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,960
So just – yeah, that was all I was going to mention.

1168
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,960
Yeah, that's fair.

1169
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,960
It was one of those things where the hardware perhaps came out

1170
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,960
before all the firmware was done, and it's a tricky one

1171
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,960
because I love 1010 Music, we love all of their stuff,

1172
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,960
and I think it just maybe, you know, it was a step too far on initial.

1173
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,960
And I hope it's doing well for them.

1174
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,960
They're still – you know, it's something they're still pushing.

1175
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,960
So, yeah, maybe you could do a video on the 1010 Bento box, Gareth,

1176
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,960
on your channel when you do a live stream with all the new features.

1177
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,960
I think I will do that.

1178
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:07,960
Okay.

1179
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:08,960
Yeah.

1180
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,960
But that auto-sampling stuff, I've been doing it.

1181
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,960
I've been sampling various things.

1182
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,960
And that idea that you just can specify the key range,

1183
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,960
how many velocity layers, and just set it off to do it.

1184
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,960
I've been sampling my Integra 7.

1185
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,960
It's got some great sounds in that.

1186
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,960
So I've been making, like, orchestral samples,

1187
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,960
which I then use in the modular rig.

1188
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,960
Yeah, that's handy.

1189
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,960
The 1010 Bento – no, the BitBox has got that auto-sampling in.

1190
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:48,960
So, yeah.

1191
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,960
Well, funny, so when – last NAMM or the NAMM before,

1192
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,960
I forget which is the one that's – there's a little – one of the little fireball-y things.

1193
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,960
I forget which one it was.

1194
01:05:58,960 --> 01:05:59,960
It's the purple one.

1195
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:01,960
That's like a sampler.

1196
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,960
And with that and a little battery and a couple of MIDI adapters,

1197
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:10,960
I had this idea that we would just go around and sample all the new Integra 7.

1198
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,960
So if somebody had, like, here's a synth, and it would just go,

1199
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,960
yeah, we'll sample a couple of patches, release them.

1200
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,960
But it wasn't quite – maybe it was very fiddly on that time,

1201
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,960
but you could do it with basically just a tiny little Tupperware box

1202
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,960
with kind of a few things and cables and plug it in and just go go.

1203
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,960
And it would just go da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

1204
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:34,960
But it was a little bit too fiddly to do at that time, so maybe that's improved.

1205
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,960
But I love the idea of just being able to sample instruments from trade shows

1206
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:42,960
and say, here's a preview, you know, sort of thing.

1207
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,960
But I didn't get it to work.

1208
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,960
So, well, thank you so much, everybody.

1209
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,960
I know it was a lot of me just brain-dumping China on everybody,

1210
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,960
but it was really a fabulous experience.

1211
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,960
Brain-dumping China is a great title.

1212
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:58,960
Yeah, that is a good title.

1213
01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:59,960
I might use that, actually.

1214
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:04,960
Yeah, thank you for verifying, validating my idea there, Paulie.

1215
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:05,960
Let me just write that down.

1216
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,960
I'm going to write that here somewhere.

1217
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:08,960
Brain-dumping China.

1218
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:09,960
Yes, I'll do that now.

1219
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,960
So what's next for you, Gaz?

1220
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,960
You've got obviously the gig in Glastonbury.

1221
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:15,960
Yes.

1222
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,960
And what else?

1223
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:25,960
The Bento Box stream, which you're going to do at some point soon.

1224
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,960
Yes, I'm sorry.

1225
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:28,960
Yes, I will do that.

1226
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,960
I will do that.

1227
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:31,960
What's next?

1228
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:37,960
I've got, yeah, the Quasimodo album is really shaping up nice.

1229
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:38,960
Oh, excellent.

1230
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,960
That's taking quite a bit of work,

1231
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,960
trying to just keep to the same sort of principles of what we've been doing

1232
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:51,960
with improvising and then trying to improvise on themes

1233
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,960
and then develop those themes.

1234
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,960
I tell you, you should talk to Tammy about doing a master class

1235
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,960
because the master class format at this place, you've got your own theatre,

1236
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,960
and they were like three hours long,

1237
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,960
so you could basically go through here's the whole principle,

1238
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,960
here's how it works, here's, you know,

1239
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,960
you could actually go to really deep, deep into something like that,

1240
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:17,960
so it might be something worth pitching to them.

1241
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:18,960
Yes, I'd be well up for that.

1242
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,960
I mean, I've been spending every single day,

1243
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,960
like hours and hours and hours every single day,

1244
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:32,960
on a whole bunch of things related to mostly modular, but not just modular,

1245
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:37,960
but to do with developing, like, workflows.

1246
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:43,960
My goal is always to try and make improvised music sound like precomposed,

1247
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,960
which is certainly with that Quasimodo thing,

1248
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:51,960
to make it sound like it's already written,

1249
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,960
but it's kind of weird because if people think that.

1250
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:54,960
Yeah, yeah.

1251
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,960
That you're ready to be listened to, yeah.

1252
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:02,960
Yeah, and trying to work out ways of, you know,

1253
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,960
I was trying to think about music that I really love,

1254
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,960
what are the elements that make me really love it,

1255
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,960
and how can I incorporate those ideas,

1256
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:19,960
and I, you know, and certain things to do with getting more control of dynamics

1257
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,960
is something I think is quite hard to do in modular.

1258
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,960
A lot of modular stuff, a lot of the things I do tend to come up quite,

1259
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,960
you know, like fairly undynamic, and I'm trying to sort of build.

1260
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:31,960
I'm working with Greg as well.

1261
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:40,960
We're trying to learn sort of techniques to do build-ups and drops and kind of,

1262
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,960
you know, like a, you know, just sort of these kind of techniques, really,

1263
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,960
but I'm putting a lot of time into it, and hopefully, I mean, yeah,

1264
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,960
we've got some, we're going to be playing a lot more next year,

1265
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,960
sort of, so hopefully these, you know,

1266
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,960
we're not in a massive rush to kind of get this stuff out.

1267
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:02,960
I want to just keep refining it and working up these techniques

1268
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,960
and just trying just to, I don't know.

1269
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,960
It's just trying to bring out more depth,

1270
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:12,960
and in part what inspires me to do that is seeing the lack of that

1271
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:13,960
in a lot of things.

1272
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,960
We're going around Super Booth this year

1273
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:19,960
and just really wanting to hear more engaging music.

1274
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:20,960
More quiet bits.

1275
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,960
Yeah, quiet bits.

1276
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,960
These amazing devices, but also harmony.

1277
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,960
Harmony is something I'm absolutely obsessed with

1278
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,960
and trying to improve my understanding of harmony

1279
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,960
and key modulations and stuff like that,

1280
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,960
and, like, that sort of stuff used to be impossible, really,

1281
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,960
in, like, say, a modular environment,

1282
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,960
but now with the kind of various tools that we've got available,

1283
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,960
that sort of stuff is now really opened up.

1284
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,960
Yeah, that sounds like a great journey, yeah.

1285
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:49,960
Gigantically, yeah.

1286
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,960
So, yeah, but, yeah, so that's the sort of thing I'm up to.

1287
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:53,960
Thank you.

1288
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,960
Well, good luck to you.

1289
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,960
Richard, what, so I guess you've got, what,

1290
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,960
a couple of weeks before the windows go in

1291
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,960
and then you can just, have you thought about leaving,

1292
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,960
going somewhere else for a little while while it's done,

1293
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,960
or do you have to be on site to make sure

1294
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,960
they don't leave the house open and all that sort of stuff?

1295
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,960
Yeah, it's, this next one's going to be wildly disruptive

1296
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,960
because we have to move everything in our house.

1297
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,960
Our house has 29 windows and we have to move everything

1298
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:28,960
six feet away from the windows, but our house isn't that big.

1299
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,960
It's, you know, we're sort of a row house,

1300
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,960
so as you can see, that's one side of the house

1301
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,960
and I'm facing a wall right now that's the other side of the house,

1302
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,960
so everything's going to be jammed into the middle.

1303
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,960
How many floors have you got?

1304
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:43,960
I've got seven.

1305
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,960
Two floors in an attic.

1306
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,960
I know it seems like a lot of windows.

1307
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,960
I was kind of like, really, they can't be that many,

1308
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,960
but, you know, every room has essentially

1309
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,960
two or three or four windows in it.

1310
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:57,960
Right.

1311
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:58,960
I don't know.

1312
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,960
In Pittsburgh, when this house was built,

1313
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:01,960
there wasn't a whole lot of light,

1314
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,960
so I thought they wanted to bring as much light in as possible

1315
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,960
because we were steel, so it was just dark

1316
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,960
and sooty out every day,

1317
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,960
so I guess you needed as many windows as possible

1318
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:15,960
to get as little light in.

1319
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,960
But I have to be here for that, but I have been.

1320
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,960
I'm just going to keep sort of.

1321
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,960
We have three hardware instruments coming out.

1322
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,960
We're going to do the drum machine,

1323
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,960
and it should be available in January,

1324
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:29,960
and then closer to Superbooth,

1325
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,960
I've been talking about the Voltage Lab Mini and the SV-1 Mini.

1326
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:35,960
Those will be available and out then,

1327
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,960
and because those are sort of already along,

1328
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,960
I've had time now to play with software,

1329
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:45,960
so I've just been having a blast sort of working on software projects,

1330
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,960
so I suspect there'll be some more of those coming out.

1331
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:49,960
Nice. There'll be more.

1332
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:50,960
Yeah.

1333
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:51,960
That sounds great.

1334
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:52,960
Yeah.

1335
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:53,960
Well, fantastic, and thanks for joining us.

1336
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:54,960
I really appreciate it.

1337
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:55,960
And, Paulie, same with you.

1338
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,960
I guess, are you doing weekly lectures?

1339
01:12:57,960 --> 01:12:59,960
I mean, how often are you committed to,

1340
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:02,960
do you have to go in and be teach?

1341
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,960
It's starting very slowly,

1342
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,960
just like one a month or something like that,

1343
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,960
and disability workshops,

1344
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,960
but, yeah, I've got myself down on the list now.

1345
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:14,960
I've made a good impression,

1346
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:19,960
so hopefully I've got my foot in the door, as they say.

1347
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:20,960
Excellent.

1348
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,960
So hopefully more, and maybe I can, you know,

1349
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,960
pimp myself out to other organizations now

1350
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,960
and do training and things like that.

1351
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,960
That might be fun.

1352
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:32,960
Nice.

1353
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,960
Masterclasses, as you were saying, that might be fun.

1354
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,960
I could probably do, like, a vintage computing,

1355
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:44,960
music and vintage computing session.

1356
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:45,960
Yeah.

1357
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:46,960
At shows and things like that,

1358
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:48,960
so that would be really good to think about.

1359
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,960
But, yeah, other than that,

1360
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,960
it's obviously episode six of Retrocast is coming out.

1361
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:02,960
I've got the first Love FM synthesizer

1362
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,960
in my grubby little hands, which I've been learning,

1363
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:12,960
so I'll be doing a Sonic Lab review of that this month as well.

1364
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:17,960
And, yeah, and then it's also about me not forgetting

1365
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,960
to get my wife a birthday present.

1366
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,960
That's the most important thing.

1367
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:22,960
Okay.

1368
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,960
Consider this a reminder.

1369
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,960
You can refer back to it if you forget any time soon.

1370
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:29,960
Yes.

1371
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:30,960
Right.

1372
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:31,960
Okay.

1373
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:32,960
Well, thank you, everybody.

1374
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,960
That was Sonic Talk.

1375
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,960
Once again, thanks to everybody who was involved in the China stuff.

1376
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,960
And we will be back next week,

1377
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,960
and ADC stuff will be coming next week as well.

1378
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:44,960
So see you later.

1379
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,960
So I think I've almost forgotten what I have to do.

1380
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:48,960
I think it's this one, isn't it?

1381
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:49,960
End show.

1382
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,960
That's what the button I need.

1383
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:52,960
See you all next time.

1384
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:53,960
Thanks very much for watching.

1385
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:54,960
Bye.

1386
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:55,960
Bye.

1387
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:56,960
Bye.

1388
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,960
Bye.